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Malaysia: a well-organised, well-publicised, well-supported FOSS movement
In a country of wide diversity -- Malaysia's main languages are Bahasa Melayu, English, Mandarin, Cantonese, Tamil and Hokkien -- FOSS has a significant role to play. Not just in catering to diversity, but also in taking this country's significant tech skills ahead. Malaysia's government and media too has been active in promoting FOSS.
Malaysia's stands out for a well-organised FOSS movement, regular publicity in the headlines where "Linux" and Open Source makes it to the news, and investment by the state in FOSS. A growing number of interesting projects are also visible in Malaysia. In addition, the significant level of technology skills available here often reflect in the fairly matured state of development of the FOSS network. Malaysia can gain from its superior bandwidth availability and hosting facilities (as reflected in a number of FOSS mirror sites available in few other Asian countries.
In August 2005, Malaysia announced its Open Source Award 2005. It says this award of RM5000 "is to encourage the participation of local developers in Open Source development work and the growth of more Open Source software (OSS) projects as well as to recognise local people who are active in OSS activities." See http://www.mncc.com.my/ictawards/oss-2005.html
An early report (from around 2000) quotes Dr. Mohamed bin Awang Lag, the COO of the research and development arm of MIMOS, a Malaysian government research and development corporation, saying that FOSS would allow Malaysia to play a part in the international software community as well as reduce its dependence on imported foreign software. He has been quoted as arguing that using Linux on older PCs? was a cost-effective way of getting computers into schools throughout Malaysia and an effective way of introducing a whole generation of Malaysians to computer programming. See http://www.itworld.com/Open/4877/lw-12-malaysia-expo/
State-funded agencies have been active in supporting FOSS. For instance, see http://opensource.mampu.gov.my/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=11&Itemid=29 which offers a number of benefits for implementing FOSS solutions in government. (1)
Elsewhere http://opensource.mampu.gov.my, other objectives have been offered for FOSS deployment:
- Reduce total cost of ownership
- Increase freedom of choice of software usage
- Increase interoperability among systems
- Increase growth of ICT industry
- Increase growth of OSS user and developer community
- Reduce the digital divide.
FOSS challenges in the public sector have also been listed as (1) On the technology front -- non-OSS compliant IT peripherals such as printers, scanners and PDAs?; incompatibility of data and file formats; inadequate documentation; inadequate technical support; integration with legacy systems. On another level, there is also an "inadequate understanding" of intellectual property rights and licensing issues, of the benefits of OSS and of how an OSS business model works.
http://opensource.mampu.gov.my/ informs that the Government of Malaysia has decided to encourage the use of Open Source Software(OSS) in the Malaysian Public Sector. The Malaysian Administration Modernisation and Management Planning Unit (MAMPU) of the Prime Minister Department is given the responsibility to implement this OSS Initiative.
The PC Gemilang project was kicked off in March 2004 with two models: A RM988 PC running a Linux-based operating system and bundled with the OpenOffice? productivity suite; and a RM1,147 desktop with the Bahasa Malaysia version of the Microsoft Windows XP operating system and Works Suite 2004. News reports said PC Gemilang: Linux outsells Windows, Jun 24 2004 http://www.ct is a roaring success, according to the Association of the Computer and Multimedia Industry of Malaysia (Pikom).
Malaysia's contribution to FOSS in Asia
AsiaOSC? knowledgebase
This was built out of Malaysia. AsiaOSC? knowledgebase is based on open source at the Asian Open Source. "It's now used as a resource by open source practitioners across Asia, especially the country pages which list open source activities in each country," says Will Smith.
From AsiaOSC?, an Asian open source centre. It intends to include information related to FOSS about "countries, languages, fonts, organisations, people". It also includes a listing of Asia-based "open source conferences" and a discussion board called FOSSCON.
There's an introduction to Open Source (advantages, problems faced by OSS, legal issues and OSS, major packages, FOSS replacements for proprietary software, common FOSS licenses, and open standards). There is a Repository Alliance Project. Links here point to FOSS in education, in natural language translation and processing, in distributed computing, in bioinformatics and in healthcare.
Quote: "Aims: AsiaOSC? is the Asian Open Source Centre. We aim to promote open source software (often abbreviated as OSS) and free software, in Asia, and to be a key resource of Asian Open Source information." http://www.asiaosc.org/enwiki/page/Knowledgebase_Home.html
IOSN.net
Functioning out of Malaysia is the IOSN. The International Open Source Network an initiative of the United Nations Development Programme's (UNDP) Asia Pacific Development Information Programme (APDIP) and supported by the International Development Research Centre (IDRC) of Canada. It is playing an important role in building awareness about FOSS in this diverse continent.
IOSN is a Centre of Excellence for Free/Open Source Software in the Asia-Pacific Region. IOSN is an initiative of the Asia-Pacific Information Development Programme (APDIP - http://www.apdip.net), which has been supporting the strategic and effective use of Information Communication Technology (ICT) for poverty alleviation and sustainable human development in the Asia-Pacific region since 1997. Via a small secretariat, the IOSN is tasked specifically to facilitate and network Free / Open Source Software advocates and human resources in the region.
Its activities include a collaborative website that aims at mapping FOSS activities in the Asia-Pacific; building a software repository; documenting best practise; and building a bank of FOSS primers, among other activities.
Malaysia has its own magazine focussing on FOSS, or Open Source (the more popular term in this country). Ow Mun Heng announced in early August 2005 the release of MyOSS? Magazine - Edition 4 (The Penguins Are Coming Home). Os wrote: "This is a community driven project which aims to publish monthly." Articles ranged from those dealing with promoting FLOSS, to Palmo Linux (a Japanised version of Linux that was created to fill a niche), and Gnome Power Manager, and more. See http://mag.my-opensource.org
Malaysian user-groups
Malaysian user groups based on mailing-lists or forums, have been described as "all friendly and moderate volume (not too noisy, not too quiet)". Links to some groups are listed below.
- Malaysian Open Source interest group
- http://www.my-opensource.org (Mainly technical)
- Public Linux User Group (earlier Penang Linux User Group) -- knizam at
- hotmail dot com http://penanglinux.blogspot.com/
- Kuantan Linux User Group
- Kuantan is located in Pahang state of Malaysia. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tklug/
- Malaysian Gentoo Community a.k.a MyGentoo?.
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mygentoo/ or http://mygentoo.cjb.net
- Planet MYOSS
- http://myoss.bytebot.net The Malaysian open source community speaking out.
- Mypenguin99
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mypenguin99 - popular mailing list, mainly in Bahasa Melayu.
- MNCC OSSIG Mailing list
- http://www.mncc.com.my/ossig/ (mainly non-technical)
- IT Tutor
- http://www.ittutor.net/ Malay-based forum discussing IT relevant topics & promoting FOSS
LUGs? in Malaysia
- Red Hat's User Group Program
- http://www.redhat.com/apps/community/LUG/southeast_asia/malaysia.html
- Penang Linux User's Group
- http://penanglinux.blogspot.com/
- Perak Linux User's Group
- http://www.plug.com.my/
- The Kuantan Linux User Group (tklug)
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tklug/
- Kuching Linux User Group
- http://www.kwhite.boltblue.net/kuchinglug/
- Malaysia Gentoo user group revival.
- www.mygentoo.cjb.net mygentoo has a irc or chat channel #mygentoo at irc.dalnet.org (previously at irc.webchat.org) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mygentoo/
- Malaysia Debian User Group
- irc channel - #mydebian @ irc.webchat.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mydebian/
Mirror servers in Malaysia
- Acme Commerce (qmail)
- http://mailserver.com.my/qmail/top.html
- Advance eHost (qmail)
- http://www.ehost.com.my/qmail/top.html
- AsiaOSC? MYmirror?
- (Fedora Core, Red Hat, Open Office, Mozilla, Knoppix, Debian packages + ISO, Mandrake ISOs?, FreeBSD? ISOs?) http://mymirror.asiaosc.org
- Hulk Solutions (qmail)
- http://qmail.hulksolutions.com/top.html
- Kinta Kellas Group (openwebmail)
- http://openwebmail.kkellas.com.my
- Leafbug GeekLab? (Apache & CPAN)
- http://mirror.leafbug.org
- Leakage OpenSource? Mirror
- http://mirror.leakage.org
- Linux.org
- http://www.linux.org.my
- MNCC OSSIG (CPAN, FreeBSD?, Xfree87, apache)
- http://ossig.mncc.com.my/mirror/pub/
- MyBSD? OpenSource? Mirror
- http://mirrors.MyBSD.org.my
- Uniten
- ftp://mpp.uniten.edu.my
- Webcraft Solutions (Apache, MySQL? & KDE)
- http://mirrors.webcraftsolutions.com
Individual OSS evangelist websites / portals
- HackInTheBox? pro-opensource news portal
- http://www.hackinthebox.org
- Hafnie Open Source blog (In Bahasa Melayu)
- http://hafnie.blogspot.com/
- Mohd Amin - J2EE Web Development blog - Mostly about Java
- http://www.cheblogs.com/roller/page/princeamin/
- nmr's telnet7 open source code and articles
- http://www.telnet7.net
- Will Smith
- http://www.willsmith.org/
- Bakthiar Hamid
- Zope documentation, kebasdata product.
- Colin Charles
- OpenOffice?.org and The Fedora Project evangelism as well as code contributions. Manager of #myoss IRC channel on irc.freenode.net and Planet MyOSS?. See his blog at http://www.bytebot.net/blog/ (2)
- Dinesh Nair
- FOSS evangelism, code contributions and numerous others. http://www.alphaque.com
- Dr. Nah Soo Hoe
- FOSS evangelism, maintainer of MyOSS? mailing list and numerous others.
- Fu Yi Chin
- Co-organizer of MyOSS? meetup group
- Hasbullah bin Pit
- Localization and translation efforts for Mozilla, Fedora Core/Red Hat, GNOME
- Jason Lim
- Co-organizer of MyOSS? meetup group
- Jaya Kumar
- Linux framebuffer driver for Arc LCD board
- Kenneth Wong
- FOSS evangelism, author of IOSN's FOSS: General Introduction and FOSS: Government Policy primers.
- Khairil Yusof
- FOSS evangelism and code contributions.
- Lee Nan Phin
- MNCC OSS SIG chairperson and numerous others.
- Mohammad Hafiz bin Ismail
- Author of Krazhbox floppy linux, gfourcc, TrayMoon?, WineCD?, minicrc.
- Mohammad Najmi bin Ahmad Zabidi
- KDE and GNU localization to the Malay language
- Mohanaraj Gopala Krishnan
- author of GUI ACL Manager
- Nur Hussein
- EPCKPT porting and kernel patchset, Slackware packages and others.
- Ow Mun Heng
- MyOSS? Magazine editor
- Yoon-Kit Yong
- Author of C# Object Persistent Framework
#MyOSS?-ers (in alphabetical order)
This is a list of regulars on the #myoss IRC channel on irc.freenode.net
- alphaque (Dinesh Nair)
- aizatto (Aizat Faiz)
- dcmwai
- ditesh/ditesh|cassini (Ditesh Kumar)
- drbyte/bytee (Colin Charles)
- El-Lotso (Ow Mun Heng)
- filex (Jason Lim)
- geekOOL (Lee Chin Seng)
- jayakumar/flatronf700B (Jaya Kumar)
- kaeru (Khairil Yusof)
- kenw (Kenneth Wong)
- kenmin (Ang Kian Meng)
- lowks/platypus/razorclaw/RedFartShinobi? (Low Kian Seong)
- mypapit (Mohammad Hafiz bin Ismail)
- ObiWanKenobi? (Nur Hussein)
- prabu (Prabu)
- rids (Faizal)
- takizo (Paul Ooi)
- yky (Yoon Kit Yong)
SOURCE OF ABOVE: http://www.iosn.net/country/malaysia/malaysian_foss_contributors
Malaysian FOSS contributions
- ADOdb?
- ADOdb? is a database abstraction library for PHP. It currently supports an amazing number of databases and is among the most popular database abstraction library available for the PHP platform.
- Aria ERP
- ARIA development began in the fall of 2002 due to a growing dissatisfaction with the development cycle of NOLA. ARIA is based off NOLA from Noguska and you can easily switch from NOLA to ARIA without any change in the database, as they are from the same source code. Since ARIA currently enjoys an almost nightly development track, it has far fewer bugs.
- C# Object Persistent Framework
- The C# Object Persistent Framework (csopf) is a project which has a goal of making development of business software as rapid and as maintainable as possible. The philosophy is to create a framework which is very developer oriented, to create clean, obvious and readable code. It also lets the developer develop software, with database administration handled automatically.
- gfourcc
- Identifies the codec used in AVI files (*.avi) and allow the user to change the FourCC? description code (like fourcc-changer in Windows). Useful for people working with Microsoft AVI file. A Linux clone of AviC? fourcc changer tool.
- GUI ACL Manager
- The GUI ACL Manager tool provides a GUI interface to help in the management of Access Control Lists for files. It was designed to be used as a script from within Nautilus but can also be independently from the command line by passing it a filename. It was built using pygtk.
- Krazhbox floppy linux
- KrazhBoX? is a small-sized GNU/Linux distribution targeted for users who need a quick and small rescue disk for their GNU/Linux (and possibly other) operating system. KrazhBoX? can also be use to prepare a computer for operating system installations like partitioning hard disk, formatting them with new a filesystem, activating the boot active partition and many more! KrazhBoX? supports common filesystem for GNU/Linux such as ext2, ext3, ReiserFS? and Minix as well as other filesystem (FAT, FAT32, NTFS, and ISO9660).
- Lazy Installer
- Lazy Installer provides a comprehensive installation script for qmail and relevant add-ons. The script installs qmail with patches for security and functionality, vpopmail, IMAP, ezml, qmailadmin, vqadmin tools as well as MySQL? backend support.
- m0n0wall
- m0n0wall is a project aimed at creating a complete, embedded firewall, router, traffic shaper (QoS?), captive portal and VPN concentrator software package that, when used together with an embedded PC, provides all the important features of commercial boxes (including the ease of use) at a fraction of the price (free software). m0n0wall is based on a bare-bones version of FreeBSD?, along with a web server, PHP and a few other utilities. The entire system configuration is stored in one single XML text file to keep things transparent. m0n0wall is probably the first UNIX system that has its boot-time configuration done with PHP, rather than the usual shell scripts, and that has the entire system configuration stored in XML format.
- minicrc
- A command-line-interface application that produce various crc checksums (crc32,crc16,crc-ccitt,bzip2 crc) on files and validates them. Useful for fast file verification but not validation against intentional tempering.
- PicoBSD?
- PicoBSD? is a one floppy version of FreeBSD?, which in its different variations allows you to have secure dialup access, small diskless router or even a dial-in server. And all this on only one standard 1.44MB floppy. It runs on a minimum 386SX CPU with 8MB of RAM (no HDD required!).
- The Electronic Human Resource Management System (e-HRMS)
- The e-HRMS is a web based HR management system. Currently it supports an extensive employee database, full featured electronic leave system, workflow driven document circulation system, tabular and graphical reporting and multi user system and role based access.
- Traymoon
- TrayMoon? is a system tray application that display the moon phases and the Hijri dates. It is a fully open-source software under the terms of the GNU General Public License.
- WineCD?
- WineCD? is a system-tray application that helps to eject and close cdrom/dvdrom tray programmatically.
Miscellaneous projects
A group of computer geeks using freely distributable software and communicating via the Internet puts together an e-community system on a shoe-string budget. Using the tools of the Free Software/Open Source community, The Malaysian Open Source Group has assembled for The Thalassaemia Association of Malaysia an online social community for Thalassaemia sufferers and their families. See http://listproc.ucdavis.edu/archives/reticulum/log0005/0007.html
For querying alexa.com: Will Smith Offers a PHP-based page which allows you to easily query Alexa.com to see which web sites are getting lots of visitors recently. http://www.willsmith.org/shares/alexahelper.php
Tuxhealth: Around 2003, Will Smith created a plugin called 'Tuxhealth' for the Mozilla browser. It allows you to easily see what operating system and web server software the remote site uses. Says he: "I use it to spot who is using open source, and who is not."
Time-line of FOSS growth in Malaysia
- August 2002: The Malaysian Government has stated a commitment to FOSS, and moves are underway in some Government agencies to migrate.
- November 2002: Selangor State Government gets itself FOSS training.
- October 2003: Malaysian Venture Capital (Mavcap) invests RM18-36million to create cluster of open source companies.
- October 2003: BCB bank using GNU/Linux extensively.
- February 2004: IIUM's student registration database, described by Computerworld
- February 2004: RHB Bank and others, described by MIS Asia Magazine
- May 2004: Linux World Expo in Malaysia: Where Open Minds Meet. Linux World Expo in Malaysia 2004
- June 2004: Public Sector open source webpage launched http://opensource.mampu.gov.my/
- August 2004: Malaysian base operating system derived from FreeBSD? launched by Triance http://www.triance.com.my
Other Links
- http://www.axs-host.com Hosting Provider for OpenSource? and Business
- http://opensource.bytecraft.com.my Source of simple Linux Shell tutorials and ICT news links
- http://www.thevaultmagazine.com.my Online magazine focusing on the business of IT and New Economy in Malaysia and South East Asia, has an open source section. dead link 27-10-2004
- http://www.myenvolution.com/portal/index.php eNvolution CMS Content Management System in Malay.
- http://www.php.net.my/ Malaysia PHP Community in Malay
- http://www.phpnuke.com.my/ Malaysia PHP-Nuke Community in Malay
- http://mynuke.info Malaysian FOSS and Nuke User
- http://mercumaya.net FOSS hosting solutions for SME businesses.
- http://skcc.forumer.com Dual language forum discussing various topics including GNU/Linux.
- http://www.geocities.com/linuxmalaysia Articles in Bahasa Melayu about FOSS and Linux.
- http://www.xoopsmalaysia.org Malaysian XOOPS Community
- http://www.nota.com.my/ Get GNU/Linux books and notes and others FOSS at cheaper price
- http://www.triance.com.my Operating system derived and developed from FreeBSD? and Linux base in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
- http://www.mymambo.org Mambo CMS in Malay
- http://www.bigsatellite.net Building the largest database of freelancers in Malaysia.
Malaysian Open Content and Open Access Links and Resources
- Malay language wikipedia (encyclopedia)
- http://ms.wikipedia.org (GFDL license)
- OpenOffice?.org Training Notes
- http://training.bytebot.net/ (Creative Commons license)
- OpenOffice?.org Full Training Manuals (for openoffice v1.1)
- http://opensource.mimos.my/?main=mimos/OO-manual (GFDL)
Links
See the IRC channel #myoss on irc.freenode.net.
Planet MYOSS: The Malaysian Open Source Community Speaks http://myoss.bytebot.net/
LUGS
- Penang Linux User Group
City: Penang Web Site: http://members.tripod.com/penanglug/ Contact: N/A Email: plug@msa.dec.com Click here for more information If you have any queries: pluginfo@msa.dec.com. - Pertubuhan Pakar ICT Malaysia
City: Kuala Lumpur Web Site: http://www.mysig.org.my/ Contact: Sekretariat Email: sekretariat@mysig.org.my Click here for more information
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Government initiatives
On July 17, 2004 The Star (Malaysia) reported that all Government technology procurement would henceforth have a preference for open source software (OSS), under the Malaysian Public Sector Open Source Software Masterplan made available to the public on that day. Said the mainstream newspaper, "In what was its strongest show of support for OSS, the Government's masterplan calls for policies to be put in place in several areas, including procurement, that would favour such software. The masterplan has been a topic of debate among ICT companies, local and foreign, that supply goods and services to the Government."
MIMOS Open Source R&D Group: One of the government-supported ventures, MIMOS "strongly believes in the philosophy of Open Source and is currently moving towards increased adoption of Open Source policies". MIMOS says it believes the Open Source business model will ensure the protection of intellectual property, prevention of monopoly and progress of technology for the benefit of all.
MIMOS's Open Source R&D Group comprises of the Asiaosc team, National Policy team and Localization team. The Asiaosc team focuses on creating a hub of information about open source in Asia, and project MIMOS's open source activities throughout Asia. National Policy team focuses on secretariat and chair of steering committee. Its localization team focuses on ensure key open source software available in BM, especially for digital divide community
FOSS education
Shin Adsys Sdn. Bhd. is a Malaysia based company which sees itself as having a "high profeciency in Computer Applications, Software Engineering for automation design, instrumentation, software and system integration solutions provides Linux traning in collaboration with Linux Learning Centre, India". http://www.linuxlearningcentre.com/malaysia.php
Other pointers
Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com> points to http://www.iosn.net which has a short listing of individuals involved in Open Source in Malaysia, at http://www.iosn.net/country/malaysia/malaysian_foss_contributors He adds: "Hop in to our irc channel, #myoss on irc.freenode.net. We're usually there, though not all conversation is around OSS. It can get pretty ecclectic at times as well."
Acknowledgements
Thanks for these links to: http://www.asiaosc.org/enwiki/ and also Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com> for inputs.
(1) These are listed to include avoiding vendor lock-in; accessing a product that is global in its spread, royalty-free, non-exclusive and offers a perpetual licensing; getting the benefits of free source code and version-control management software; thorough testing; better software security; configuration management (on platforms used and the ability to choose your compiler); the offer of platform-neutral computing; wide options in porting; the ability to work on software modifications, enhancements and testing; adequate documentation released with source code; and the possibility of benchmarking and performance tuning. As the opensource.mampu.gov.my site puts it, "With the available source code, for the first time, organisations now have the capability of having complete control over the entire development cycle. There is no vendor equation in this and therefore eliminates the potential of accepting vendors' optimistic delivery dates."
(2) This close-up profile of a young FOSS evangelist from Malaysia gives an interesting insight into the profile of who makes up the growth base of FOSS in this region: "My name's Colin Charles, but I've assumed the nickname byte or drbyte on IRC; as a result, there are quite a number of people that refer to me as byte. I am now, twenty years of age. Malaysian, living in Melbourne, Australia now..."
Charles has been a lead programmer for the effort to bring the Fedora version of GNU/Linux to PowerPC? chips. See references to his work at http://bytebot.net/media/ibm-power.html This Malaysian programmer-consultant is a contributor to the Fedora Project, a community-supported FOSS project sponsored by Red Hat Linux to build a complete, general-purpose OS exclusively from free software.
In the Fedora Project. Colin has worn many hats in his day-to-day participation, from management of the Fedora mailing lists, to wiki work, to testing, to advocacy. The depth and breadth of Colin's contributions has placed him "in the forefront of the Fedora community" said the Red Hat Magazine, in an interview.
He said in an interview, "I do migration consultation, anything to do with OpenOffice?.org or Linux, and currently am camping in China doing software development. Oh, and training."
He has been working "a lot" on the PowerPC? tree for the Fedora Core. The tree is open at http://fedoraproject.org/fedorappc/
Explaining his background in FOSS, Charles says, "(I got started) back in the day, I had a 486 DX4 75MHz laptop, and while it ran Windows 3.1 fine, Windows 95 came out not long after. With 8MB of RAM it was chugging right along, but there was some disk corruption within the first week and it cheesed me off. Getting Linux in Malaysia was hard to do, back then, as we had no Cheapbytes. The local Cheapbytes equivalent sold CDs? for around RM35 (thats USD10 now), and that was a lot of money for a young student who got an allowance of RM5 a day. But with supportive parents and all at home I not only got all the resources I required, but also another computer (P233MMX) came not too long after."
Asked why he continues in the Fedora project, Charles replied, "Continue? Because there's hope in the project. It has novel aims. And the community (really, there is one) is great. For developers (wanting to get started, my advice is), start contributing packages to the Extras repository. Be active on Bugzilla (fedora.us), and you will get some packages included after the lengthy QA process. Otherwise, start helping out with the documentation project. Or the News Updates. Do advocacy pieces for your daily newspaper. Join in Fedora marketing. There's many ways to help, while we get the other infrastructure and leadership bits sorted out. You just have to know where to look." See http://bytebot.net/media/rhmag-interview-dec04.html
